Nishiki Serial Number Location

Its a nishiki custom sport, but I don't think the seller knows what he has?The serial is s1 7b273In my opinion that is a really significant serial number. I tried finding a registry but all in mentions is that S.

Nov 21, 2016. The serial number format appears to started in 1987 and is known to extend beyond 1989 on Giant brandede models, though no Nishiki examples have been reported, to date. Derby Manufactured Frames (1989-1992.).

Is from earlier years and the number 273 Is the print number. I don't know what the 1b is. But I do know this is an official early year japanese model. And that is a really really early print / run.Advice needed.As some you may be aware, I have been collecting Nishiki data for several years in an attempt to more accurately determine their age and create a timeline of models. I now have sufficient data sets and confidence to report the results for serial numbers from the 1970s to mid 1980s, however sufficient data is lacking for the late 1980s onward.To this end, it would appreciated if any Nishiki owners would submit posts with pics and specs of their Nihiki. A full, drive side view is the preferred pic.

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Requested info is model, year (if known), frame material and make, model and date codes of major components. For component date code format, location and decypher, refer to.Thank-you in advance for your contributions. Where possible, I will answer questions as they arise.

General developments in the database will be reported in this post (ie post #1 ) below:Kawamura manufactured frames (1972-1987.)Serial number format XYZZZZZ where:X is a letter indicating the market using the following codes:A= AustraliaC = Canada (pre-1985)E = EuropeK = USA (pre 1985)W = USA (1985-1987.)Y is a letter indicating the last digit of the manufacturing calendar year, where A =1, B = 2, C = 3 J = 0. Seller isn't marketing to bike experts. What I am asking is if its a first run. The serial implies its a first addition. Products such as nishiki came in a ground breaking post nuclear war era. Their companies took off.

They are a part of international history, and world business relations. Much symbolized in the addition of the german die comfe brakes, and shirmano 600 derailer.This specific nikishi, is apart of a whole new generation of post war, bicycles and manufacturing policies. Its almost like a symbol of peace. But the low print is what I want to know. Does anyone know if this is a first run bike?Its like having the 300th ferarri to a collector. NOTE:The above serial information is from a Nishiki collector. (prints) In photography sell for 50.00 of this bike.

They have a vast cult following; I suspect this bike will start to get attention on its listing soon. Its likely a 550.00-700.00+ (considering the s in the serial number).I am just an ebayer myself trying to find a serial number chart, before I bid. Because this could easily fetch the price of a cannon dale, being its not a Taiwanese model.

A japanese collector might pay a pretty penny for this bike. Anyone got a chart here? Nishiki bikes, in their day.the 1980's.were mainly low-end bikes bought by college students to get around campus and recreational type riders. In a word, they were low cost transportation. There were a very few high-end models sold here and even they were looked down upon as not being the equal of their European counterparts. They just lacked cred.

They built some decent touring models and few competent racing bikes that were nicely detailed and well finished, especially considering the low prices they usually sold for.That bike you posted the eBay link to would sell for $25-$50 on Craigslist in my area 'if' it sold at all.In the world of collectible Japanese bicycles a mint condition, high-end keirin model by San Rensho with all certified NJS components would be considered desirable and worth investing a few dollars. A used Nishiki of almost any production era or model in the range is, at least currently, not highly valued in the States. Perhaps the Japanese collectors will want to invest in a low production number example, but that would surprise me.knowing what the really desirable stuff sell for here that gets exported away from the Japanese collector market.I think the seller knows what he has. He posted a picture of the serial number, listed it as a pre-1975 model and priced it with a $300 opening bid. It will be interesting to see what it sells for. Its a nishiki custom sport, but I don't think the seller knows what he has?The serial is s1 7b273In my opinion that is a really significant serial number. I tried finding a registry but all in mentions is that S.

Is from earlier years and the number 273 Is the print number. I don't know what the 1b is.

But I do know this is an official early year japanese model. And that is a really really early print / run.Advice needed.As some you may be aware, I have been collecting Nishiki data for several years in an attempt to more accurately determine their age and create a timeline of models. I now have sufficient data sets and confidence to report the results for serial numbers from the 1970s to mid 1980s, however sufficient data is lacking for the late 1980s onward.To this end, it would appreciated if any Nishiki owners would submit posts with pics and specs of their Nihiki. A full, drive side view is the preferred pic. Requested info is model, year (if known), frame material and make, model and date codes of major components. For component date code format, location and decypher, refer to.Thank-you in advance for your contributions.

Where possible, I will answer questions as they arise. General developments in the database will be reported in this post (ie post #1 ) below:Kawamura manufactured frames (1972-1987.)Serial number format XYZZZZZ where:X is a letter indicating the market using the following codes:A= AustraliaC = Canada (pre-1985)E = EuropeK = USA (pre 1985)W = USA (1985-1987.)Y is a letter indicating the last digit of the manufacturing calendar year, where A =1, B = 2, C = 3 J = 0. It's a low-end model. A steel cottered crankset, stem shifters, rear derailleur guard, Chainring guard, spoke protector, brake 'safety' levers were all features of the less expensive bikes in a brand's lineup.It appears to have alloy rims, a plus. Also the heart shaped downtube stop is a nice touch.I don't know if the kickstand is original. I would remove it and put it a box to be kept with the bike, but not on it.A mix of lugged and lugless / welded construction. Weird.A sidepull rear brake and a centerpull front brake?

I'm guessing one brake caliper has been replaced. And yet.the rear brake cable routing is on the right side and the front cable hanger looks to have the matching patina of the rest of the bike. Perhaps and older replacement job?The stem appears to be far beyond the safe insertion limit unless the original stem has been replaced with a replacement stem that has a longer quill. Check before riding.Craigslist price in my area of Ohio.around $25-$50. Fully polished and detailed up with new rubber, new bar tape and a new saddle.maybe $75 max. They sold a metric ton of low end Nishiki's in my area and your example survived in better condition than the average one I see still on the road. Wild guess on vintage.The 'K' is for USA pre 1985 production.'

S' was used on all frames prior to 1975.

By Year/Model1970'sRedline SquarebackFirst production bike was serial number 100. A low number bike would be early 1974.By the 500-600 range somewhere begin the 1975's.1974-1975 Front gusset had no hole1976-1977 Front gusset had two holes1978-1979 MX-II - 4130 frame/fork. Used the Squareback front end & the now familiar MX-II rear end on early models.1978-1979 Proline - 4130 frame and fork.1980'sJapanese made frames started in 1979RI 79RJ 80RA 81RB 82RC 831980RJ 981 700 MX-II 4130 frame & down tube decals, Vbars & Redline stem, Suntour VX alloy 3 piece cranks.1981 600 MX-II 4130 frame & down tube decals, Vbars & Redline stem. Only difference from the 700 is the 1 piececranks.1981 520 MX-II 4130 frame & down tube decals, Vbars but cheapo slant stem & Coaster brake Tuff Wheels.All three came in your choice of Red, White or Blue.1981700 MX-II 4130 frame & down tube decals, Vbars & Redline stem.Sugino Maxy-Cross alloy cranks, Suntour seat clamp & hubs, Nationalskinwalls & KKT alloy pedals.1981 600 MX-II 4130 frame & down tube decals, same as 700 but came with Sugino 4130 1 piece cranks & KKT steel pedals.1981 520 unknown specs.All three came in only Blue, Red, Black & White. Chrome would come to the lineup in spring of 1981.Late 1981/1982Thenew bikes appear in the Oct.

81 issue of BMXA. Since the Advertisement had to be shot & submitted before print deadline it probably meansthe bikes were out at the end of summer of 1981.They feature the longhuge Redline logo in red with white or black trim. As in the earlieryears no decal Identifying the bikes as 600 or 700 etc is on the bikeyet. The new blocky RL logo is on the seat mast sides & headtube.1981/1982 PL-20 Carrera uses a Proline frame, flight cranks & still using Vbars.Available only in Chrome at first with red or blue parts packages.19 Now using a first generation MX-III frame which is really a MX-II.Sugino Maxy-Cross cranks. Everything else same for 600.Now using a first generation MX-III frame which is really a MX-II.

4130 1 piece cranks.Both available in Chrome, Red, White, Blue or Black.MX-II vs. Series-IIIEarlyMX-III were the designation for complete MX-IIs from Japan. The firstMX-III frames confused people so Redline also called them Series 3, ST(as in ST-20), Series Three etc.Late 1982 the first Series-IIIbased bikes rolled out the 600a & 700. Here is how to tell if youhave a MX-II or Series-III based frame.

Bottom Bracket height(centerof BB to ground)MX-II, 11 3/8'. MX-III, 10 3/4' Remember wear & tear on the tires and tire design will affect the BB height slighty.MX-II Top Tube(TT)is 18'MX-III Top Tube(TT)is 18 3/4'MX-II weighs @ 4 lbs 8 ouncesSeries-III weighs @ 4 lbs 1 ounce(Dont forget to weigh clean with no headset or BB cups in.)Series-IIIhave larger then normal drilled out holes on the BB(4 holes)& HT(2holes), which are covered up by the main tubes.19831983 versions of the MX-III bikes were set to arrive in showrooms, October 1982.Wasthe first year of the Redline MX-III.

Till then all MX-III series used a MX-II frame according to an interview by Len Weed from BMXAction Dec. Linn Kastan stated in 1983 Redline debuted its firstreal MX-III. It came as a complete bike Models 700 & 600a & Frameset.First year the complete bikes had the model (600a etc) on the frameset.Specs. TT & DT outside diameter was 1 1/4.'

Wheelbase was around 36' BB height was 10 3/4'.came complete with Sugino Maxi-Cross cranks & Redline stem & Vbars.1983600a - 4130 came complete with Sugino 1pc or Sugino GT 3 piece cranks,Mild steel Kusuki Vbar & Sugino alloy & 4130 stem.Both available in Chrome only. Your choice of black or blue parts.194 500 A - 4130 Series III frame set(MX-III). Sugino 175 1 piece cranks. Red to Yellow fade decals.Available in White or Chrome only. (Made in Taiwan)1984 600 B - 4130 ST-20(MX-III? ST as in Series Three as in MX-II?)104A forks(A as in all weld instead of the three spot?).Availablein White or Chrome only. Black with some grey background down tubedecal with red Redline.

ST-20 on seat tube & not 600b. Vbars & samepads as the 700P. Mostly black with some grey & red Redline writtenseveral times.1984 700 P - 4130 Proline frame, same frame that the Carerra comes with. 101A Tapered forks.Availablein White or Chrome only.

PL-20 on seat tube & not 700P. These use aRed to Yellow fade. Bike has 1 piece Sugino 175 cranks.19851985 500 B - Tri Moly. 4130 front, mild steel rear triangle. MX-III type frame. Fully painted finish or all chrome. Econo stem.Available in all Hazard Yellow (not partial Chrome like the 600 C) or Chrome.1985 600 C - 4130 Front was painted or chrome, rear was chrome.

MX-III frame. Forklifter stems. 1 piece cranks.Available in Hazard Yellow, White or Chrome. Parts all black & chrome. Rear dropouts are gnurled.

(Made in Taiwan)1985 800 P - 4130 Proline frame & fork. Forklifter stems. 1 piece cranks.Available in Turquoise/Chrome, Yellow/Chrome & White/Chrome87 400 C - Tri-Moly?1987 600 CXL - Available in White, Red or Turquiose19881988 400 C - 4130?, Available in Chrome, Inca Red, Jaguar Black, Kiwi & Mango. Series-III frame1988 800 PXL - 4130, Available in Chrome, & a Red & Jaguar Black. Proline 2 frame.19891989 390 -1989 400 C -1989 400 D -1989 700 EXL - Retro Inspired logos & Proline tapered type forks, 180mm 1 piece cranks.Available in Red, Blue, Black & Chrome.1989 800 PXL -1990's1990Blue=Pacific Blue, Red=Rio Red, Yellow=Solar Yellow, & Gray=CarbonColor was front end with Gray or Chrome the back end.1990 Three (300) - 18th Anniversary model, uses a Series-III type frame.1990 Three (390) - 18th Anniversary model, uses a Series-III type frame.

MX-II type forks.Available in Red/Gray, Blue/Gray, Yellow/Gray & Black/Chrome1990 Four (400 EXL) - Series-III type frame. TRX Type, leading axle, dropout forks.Available in Red/Gray, Blue/Gray, Yellow/Gray & Black/Chrome1990 Seven (700SL) - Proline type frame. Proline type forks.Available in Red/Gray, Blue/Gray, Yellow/Gray & Black/Chrome.1991All Have commemorative sticker stating 191 320 -1991 420 - Available in Chrome, Red, Yellow or Blue.1991 520 - Tri-moly frame. Tapered Proline 4130 forks.Specs: TT-18 1/4', WB-35', BB-11 1/8', RE-15 1/2', TT OD 1 1/8', DT OD 1 1/4'.Available in Yellow/Gray, Blue/White, Red/Gray(or Chrome)1991 720 SLX - Available in Yellow/Black, Red/Black, Blue/White(White or Black being the back end color)19921992 Redline Platinum - 20th Anniversary Edition. Only 50 made. Browning front suspension.19931993 RL 340 -1993 RL 440 -1993 RL 540 - 4130 frame/fork. Two tone paint & chrome finish.-By Serial NumberEarly USA made bikes may have had a code like this:RA = 81 Then run number is 5 digits.RB = 82RC = 83 etc.Howeverbikes in the Museum throw that formula in the trash.

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